Diarmuid Ua Duibhne ([personal profile] beautymark) wrote in [community profile] thusia2012-10-30 08:29 pm

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Who: Anyone
When: Day 89, afternoon
Where: everywhere!
What: mingle time!

[So how is your day going, Thusia?

Let's hope it's pleasantly fun!]
didnteventry: (neutral | condescending jerk)

[personal profile] didnteventry 2012-11-01 10:11 am (UTC)(link)
You aren't Kotomine Kirei.
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[personal profile] no_hero 2012-11-01 10:15 am (UTC)(link)
... no. Just the opposite, in fact.

Fair enough. You know what my answer would be.

But take it from the other side. You believe so strong, so incessantly that something is one way and someone tells you it is completely the opposite of everything you believe in, your own very self is a lie because you lived for so long being built on those lies--what do you do?
didnteventry: (neutral | aaand I don't care)

[personal profile] didnteventry 2012-11-01 10:20 am (UTC)(link)
Honestly I can't imagine it would be that much worse than the rest of my experiences. But that's me. For Shirou, it would be horrible. But if you don't think it's worth it, then you're just making the choice for him, right? You're saying that being a monster is a better end for him than being a human being with emotional wounds.

But even if he stays a monster, it's not like he doesn't have that pain. He's just repressing it.
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[personal profile] no_hero 2012-11-01 10:34 am (UTC)(link)
I did not say that. I believe the pain could be worth it, but it will hurt and I am more than familiar with that terrible of pain.

But what I'm trying to point out--with Kotomine... with anyone of such a volatile nature... the moment you tell them or show them that their beliefs are wrong, they will lash out. And more than likely, they will lash out at the one who either delivered the message or the one who represents the truth of their false beliefs, possibly even both.

Because if they can do that, then no one can say differently to them. Because it is that much easier to be a monster than be in that level of pain and loss of self.
didnteventry: (anger | walking away)

[personal profile] didnteventry 2012-11-01 10:41 am (UTC)(link)
I know that! I'm most likely not important enough for you to bother knowing anything about, but just because I've never been a hero or a monster doesn't mean I haven't seen them. There's a reason I was a drunk.

Now I said I couldn't kill Shirou, but if I have to be the one he kills, that's fine. I was trying to die in the first place. If you're too scared of him though that's your problem.
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[personal profile] no_hero 2012-11-01 10:54 am (UTC)(link)
I shot my father in the back six times, I purposefully shot down the plane the woman I called "mother" was attempting to land, inside the Grail I chose to kill the representations of my wife and daughter--all of these because if I had not, then tens, hundreds, thousands, billions of people would have died instead.

Tell me. What am I most afraid of when you bring these things to my doorstep and lay them at my feet?
didnteventry: (shinji | daddy hugs)

[personal profile] didnteventry 2012-11-01 11:29 am (UTC)(link)
I don't--

[cuts himself off before he can say something really nasty, and heaves a frustrated sigh, dropping his face into his hands]

I don't understand you. I've just always sat there and let things happen... I didn't even try to save anybody. Not really. I just hid from it and said "there's nothing I can do" and "it's someone else's fault" until it got so bad I chose suicide over dealing with it. Try to imagine that-- realising you don't get the option anymore when you're dead. It was the worst part of dying. But I woke up, and I keep meeting these people who help you for no reason, and who say I must be a better person than I think.

So I have no idea what I'm doing and I don't get people, but I don't want to sit still anymore. So I can't really care what you're afraid of when it's my family on the line. If someone has to die, I'll revive them and try again.
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[personal profile] no_hero 2012-11-01 11:46 am (UTC)(link)
[will just be... taking a moment to breathe and rub a hand over his face as well. the harsher expressions falling back into a softer one, completely sharing the misery of his guest--perhaps more]

That's exactly what it is I'm afraid of.

You tell me that Shirou... some part of this Kotomine Shirou remembers being Emiya Shirou, and the first thing I think to myself is "Will I have to sacrifice another of my family--Emiya Kiritsugu's son--to ensure that the monster he has latched onto doesn't stay where it can hurt others?"

Because that is the life I lived... back home. Back there, I had a hand in a lot of terrible situations, believing myself correct--and in a lot of ways, possibly so. Being right or doing the right thing... that's not an easy life at all. I was glad to die, if only because if I lived I feared another would have to die instead.

Here... since dying... getting back what pieces I have lost even while others railed at me for being the cause of such misery--I was able to regain my wife, my daughter, my son... and then the possibility--no, the reality of losing them over again...

... if you ask other from similar worlds as ours... the fate of Emiya Kiritsugu is often the same. He is killed. And so is his family. I don't want that for me, or my family, anymore.
didnteventry: (neutral | uhh well)

[personal profile] didnteventry 2012-11-01 11:56 am (UTC)(link)
Then what do you think should be done about him? Some choice has to happen. Doing nothing is a choice too.
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[personal profile] no_hero 2012-11-01 12:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Three choices are more than I usually get.

[said flatly, almost cynically, but wearily looking away]

Break him and remake him, kill him permanently, or do nothing. Those are the options.

I know I'm capable of the second. I know a youkai who has cheerfully volunteered to assist with the first. The third... isn't something I could do.

[. . . god, Kiritsugu, you know the answer just by your own nature, don't you]
didnteventry: (unsure | headtilt)

[personal profile] didnteventry 2012-11-01 12:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not going to tell him anything if you say not to. That's a mess it isn't my business to force you into.
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[personal profile] no_hero 2012-11-01 12:15 pm (UTC)(link)
[you're not exactly the most formidable when it comes to interrogation, though]

... I need some time to think it over.
didnteventry: (booze | listen to what I'm saying)

[personal profile] didnteventry 2012-11-01 12:22 pm (UTC)(link)
[hey I don't expect Shirou to want to know]

...That's fine. He's not going anywhere for now. His apartment is 2F if you want to avoid it. Mine's 2H.
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[personal profile] no_hero 2012-11-01 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
... thank you.