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[personal profile] body_language 2012-03-30 06:21 pm (UTC)(link)
*glances up*

Not exactly. The usual term is scrivener.

[personal profile] bejeweled 2012-03-30 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Scrivener? I don't think we have those back home.
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[personal profile] body_language 2012-03-30 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Lord Kain didn't know the term either, when I asked. How do you perform magic, if not by using the First Language?

[personal profile] bejeweled 2012-03-30 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
[ slight pause ]

There are a few different ways, I guess. It depends on what kind of magus you are and what you're trying to do. For something like summoning you'd definitely have to draw a circle.
body_language: (intrigued)

[personal profile] body_language 2012-03-30 06:27 pm (UTC)(link)
*nods*

A failsafe, you mean? I suppose you'd need one, if you wanted to call something against its will.

[personal profile] bejeweled 2012-03-30 06:41 pm (UTC)(link)
[ considers ]

If you were summoning something dangerous, yes. But otherwise the circle has a different function . . . more simply its an aid, even if that's too reductive to say.
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[personal profile] body_language 2012-03-30 06:45 pm (UTC)(link)
*thoughtful*

We don't generally use that kind of magic, at home. It's theoretically possible -- I've read some papers on it, and in theory it's just a rather involved evolution of a gate sigil -- but there's really nothing out there it would be worth the time and effort to call that way. I'm assuming that's not true for you, though?

[personal profile] bejeweled 2012-03-30 06:47 pm (UTC)(link)
[ also thoughtful ]

I've only really summoned once. Most of the heavy lifting was done by something else. Most magecraft isn't done like that, it's true.
body_language: (intrigued)

[personal profile] body_language 2012-03-30 07:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I have to admit, I'm curious what your methods are like.

[personal profile] bejeweled 2012-03-30 07:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't suppose you guys have magic circuits . . .?
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[personal profile] body_language 2012-03-30 07:07 pm (UTC)(link)
...I can't say the term's familiar.

[personal profile] bejeweled 2012-03-30 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
To use magic then . . . you said something about a 'First Language'? Do you have to write it out or say something to trigger it? Vocal incantations aren't uncommon for us either . . .
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[personal profile] body_language 2012-03-30 07:18 pm (UTC)(link)
It's usually written; speaking it is difficult if you're not very careful. It's the language the gods use to speak to the universe, and the universe responds to it, so if you mispronounce a word or fail to take the conditions around you into account...

[personal profile] bejeweled 2012-03-30 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
. . .

I can see how that would be a problem.

[personal profile] bejeweled 2012-03-30 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
To say 'magic' for me is a little bit of a misnomer. It's easier to use when speaking with non-magi but what I do isn't the same thing at all. Something that is 'true magic' is a kind of mystery that I don't have access to. Magi use magecraft which is an approximation of something that surpasses nature, more or less.
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[personal profile] body_language 2012-03-30 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)
That's why most scriveners write godwords instead of speaking them. Hence this.

*taps the inkstone*

So 'true magic' is something that can't be approximated by natural processes, and 'magecraft' is something that can? That's definitely not a distinction we make.

[personal profile] bejeweled 2012-03-30 07:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know a lot about true magic. I [ . . . herp . . . ] had little interest in it. But magecraft is what I use and it has nothing to do with gods. It's more like taking an amount of energy and having it do what you want it to do.
body_language: (intrigued)

[personal profile] body_language 2012-03-30 07:44 pm (UTC)(link)
So it's...exerting force on the universe to transform it, directed by your will?

[personal profile] bejeweled 2012-03-30 07:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I've never really thought about it like that. . . . Because a lot of the energy comes from inside of me or what I've stored somewhere.
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[personal profile] body_language 2012-03-30 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
*nodnod*

It makes sense that you'd have to store energy for something like that...but at the same time, you'd have to worry less about making your intent precise than a scrivener would, because you're communicating it without having to translate.

[personal profile] bejeweled 2012-03-30 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Knowing the mages I know . . . it's probably better that precision doesn't dominate a lot of our use. [ a bit of a huff ] While it certainly helps and if you're fighting another mage that could be the line between life and death . . . it doesn't sounds as touchy as your system.
body_language: (smile)

[personal profile] body_language 2012-03-30 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
*wryly*

Touchy is a good way to describe it.

[personal profile] bejeweled 2012-03-30 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
. . . I'm Tohsaka Rin.
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[personal profile] body_language 2012-03-30 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Dekarta Arameri. Pleased to meet you.

[personal profile] bejeweled 2012-03-30 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Same here. Did you just get here?

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