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[man I sure don't like hearing about entire clans being wiped out]

Ordering a man to destroy his whole clan really is tasteless. How many people were there? I wonder what caused such a awful thing.

Edited 2012-01-30 16:43 (UTC)

... there were enough people to plot to stage a coup d'etat. And against the Sharingan, this eye that only the Uchiha clan can master, few would survive. So, naturally, getting a man from that clan who disagreed with their plot to handle it... especially when that ninja was the best of his age, not to mention in his clan.

Both surviving members are currently enemies of my village. They would destroy it if given the chance.

A matter of politics.

[will not comment on the rest]

Politics and survival. We could not afford a civil war on our hands as we had already gotten out of a war, and lost our Fourth Hokage to the Kyuubi, the nine tailed fox. We had too many enemies on the outside, an enemy on the inside...

It would have been far too dangerous. I'm not so naive as to not understand the importance of taking care of such an enemy, and casualties are a consequence of war. I'm not judging.

Ah, even if you were, I wouldn't blame you.

After all, I only learned of this shortly before the most recent war started.

As much as I also can understand it and even reason with it, especially since I was of the same elite squad as that man...

Edited 2012-01-30 17:07 (UTC)

Sacrifices are necessary for the good of a nation. But the people themselves should never be sacrificed. If all the people of that clan were ready to fight, then the decision is not something I can judge. But if there were innocents among those...

[there's a pause and then he shakes his head]

No, more than that, the idea of a entire clan being wiped out leaves a bad taste in my mouth, no matter the reason behind it. Even if I can understand it, it's not something I can accept.

[there's a pause here, then he talks again]

But it seems we've gone quite far from the original topic.

...

Well. Before we get back on topic, let me correct you on something.

To the nations, the ninja and their villages are tools. We serve our nations, but we began as mercenaries. A ninja who cannot carry out the assignment he is given is trash. So an entire clan that disrupts these things are no longer any use to the nation and thus are considered trash.

[the nations sucks balls kakashi]

People aren't tools for those in power to use. It's those who are in power that should be tools for the people to use.

Well, let me ask you this. That clan who followed yours for generations... how far do you think they have gone to keep yours safe? And who do you think benefited? And, even if you may view it that way, how do you think your clan has viewed theirs?

[he sure is clenching his fists here]

They weren't tools to be discarded once they expired their use, or to be sacrificed. Even if the Yao clan has benefited from their protection that doesn't mean—!

[there's a short pause here before he talks again]

They were also people to protect.

That's how you view it, and you are very kind to. But, correct me if I'm wrong in assuming that that opinion has not been the common one.

[siiilence]

. . .

Okay. You can stay.

...

Officially invited now...? That's kind.

Well, if I didn't like your answer, I would have made you leave.

That means I surpassed the first test.

You've given me an idea of the differences in our worlds as well as the differences between your own experiences versus that of a shinobi.

In short: you're not a shinobi, you've only seen the outlaying issues that comes with being a shinobi, and while you understand the focus of a whole and thus a unit, you're overly passionate when it comes to the sacrifices of those pieces.

... to be honest, it's that last point that gave you the pass.

Edited 2012-01-30 18:10 (UTC)

A king exists for his people. Without his people, there is no king.

But really, now. You "shinobi" are too much alike.

If you were close enough to get a lecture of that nature from your vassals, then you were obviously someone they considered important enough to have understand.

Nations and maybe even some villages can view their shinobi as mere tools, but... I have come from a line of mentors that tries to go against that ideal.

"Those that break the rules and regulations are trash. But those who abandon their comrades are worse than trash. If I'm going to be called trash either way, I'd rather break the rules. And if that's not being a proper shinobi, then I'll destroy that idea"--these are the words my best friend, an Uchiha--the one who gave me this eye, said to me before he was killed saving my life.

That is only the shinobi way I will accept.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend, though it's good to see such an ideal has been passed on someone else.

And a good thing that there's someone who took to that idea by his own determination still back in Konoha.